Uh, just that I don't consider your system to be - well, you consider yourselves stable?
4:17 PM
Any system that's still introducing new headmates or merging/integrating I consider some level of unstable
Aya
It's interesting that such a thing could happen in an older system with an established set-up and strict rules. It makes me wonder, what is it that causes the brain to create a headmate, exactly? Outside of intentional creation.
There have been times where Yuka or I were tempted to create a new tulpa, and times when Yuka obsessed over OCs, but we always felt that it was impossible for these ideas or characters to become new headmates without deliberately going ahead with it and interacting. Yet, we know having ideas for headmates and characters do become hedamates in other systems. I suppose there is a possibility for unintentional headmates in any system if something happens, but I don't know what the something is.
It would be very easy for us to make a new tulpa, but that's because we have lots of experience with tulpa creation as a system. I agree with the idea the mindset tulpas can be "sentient from the start" may be making things easier to create tulpas for some
When our second tulpa Ruki was created, she was instant. This did cause concern for us, on how quickly and easily a tulpa could take form. But in the end it wasn't a problem and no other headmate has taken form. So we understand both how instant a headmate can form, and how for us, we can still control whether they form or not(edited)
Our system is stable in the sense our population is completely under control. Our system has been shrinking in a controlled manner since 2021.
We used to merge for fun, but we have been more focused on other things and giving time to out headmate's integrating to be playing around with it much lately.
Aya
When our second tulpa Ruki was created, she was instant. This did cause concern for us, on how quickly and easily a tulpa could take form. But in the end it wasn't a problem and no other headmate has taken form. So we understand both how instant a headmate can form, and how for us, we can still control whether they form or not (edited)
Luminesce: Basically what I talked about earlier, yeah. There's no problem mechanically with a tulpa being created "instantly", as long as proper development techniques (or just.. interacting with them normally) are still followed, as that leads to a well-developed tulpa eventually either way(edited)
I miss the new merges. When my system is comfortable with it again I would like to see what merges they come up with
*New in the sense they keep creating new merges, not that there are any merges that stick around(edited)
we've been merging lately to pad out fronting time to help us achieve quality (because ASD go brr) but now that Dynamo and Radio are back we'll probably be doing it less
Luminesce: Though Tewi and Flandre technically count as walk-ins since I neither created them on purpose nor even went through the same long process as Reisen to create, so even our system is an example of desirable walk-ins, lol(edited)
5:07 PM
However, that was in 2010 before knowing anything about tulpamancy or plurality. I don't think I would've allowed walk-ins if I'd been aware of the concept
5:07 PM
Was just a total accident, something I didn't even consciously consider really
Luminesce: It was rare then and it's rare now for someone to come to so many of the same ideas of how these "sentient imaginary friends" worked(edited)
5:09 PM
No, we never considered either switching or imposition before hearing about them being possible on the forum 4 years later
5:10 PM
Though by that point we were able to learn both relatively easily
That's a belief plenty of people still have, which is fine
5:12 PM
The more critically-minded may or may not agree that it's possible/happening to those who believe it is, but tulpamancy isn't meant to be some objective matter to be "correct" about - it's all about what you experience and believe
5:12 PM
As long as a belief isn't dangerous/liable to cause harm to the host or others, there's usually not much wrong with believing any given thing
Luminesce: (The thing I misinterpreted you as talking about because I should be asleep already though - that "hosts can switch into the wonderland and bring their perspective/same conscious experience with them while their tulpa lives their real life" - is dangerous specifically to the tulpamancy experience. I have seen too many people be promised this magical impossibility only to be disappointed as they fail to ever achieve it and eventually get told that only 2012'ers really believed it)(edited)
5:18 PM
The problem is this implies the superhuman ability of multiplying your brainpower with parallel processing, which would mean tulpamancy somehow unlocked an ability that no one actually has
If it were possible for humans to arbitrarily double+ their mental processing power, the human race would've been making extreme use of this centuries ago
Luminesce: I feel like it just doesn't hurt anything to believe your tulpa has experiences while you're not paying attention to them. With automatic confabulation of memories the next time you interact (or semi-consciously "seeding" the experiences over time), it can be a seamless experience, and I know a handful of tulpas who value that part of their experience highly.(edited)
5:22 PM
Even disbelieving in its mechanical legitimacy, I still think it's a legitimate experience for those who believe in it, and I don't seek to make them stop(edited)
5:23 PM
Though I don't promote believing in it either, it's just sort of a "For those who believe it already, go ahead"
I saw something in differentiating tulpas and DID using plates. A tulpa is another plate on top of another plate. Two different entities. DID is a broken plate. Split up into multiple fragments without an idea of which piece is the original piece
The broken plate concept is despised in most DID/OSDD spaces because it isn't accurate. It's less that DID systems are one shattered being and more it's a bunch of identities that never coalesced into a single being in the first place because something (trauma) obstructed the process
The broken plate concept is despised in most DID/OSDD spaces because it isn't accurate. It's less that DID systems are one shattered being and more it's a bunch of identities that never coalesced into a single being in the first place because something (trauma) obstructed the process
@Rusty - jump
A plate would have been a single piece in the beginning. There never was a single piece in CDDs, they never formed into a singular piece. According to the leading theory of DID, the theory of structural dissociation, all humans when very young are in a unmerged plural state in the mind, and all the mental processes integrate into one self as they grow. Trauma causes an obstruction in that process of becoming a singlet and the mind learns to dissociate into multiple parts instead to handle the trauma inflicted upon it.
FirewireCompatible
I saw something in differentiating tulpas and DID using plates. A tulpa is another plate on top of another plate. Two different entities. DID is a broken plate. Split up into multiple fragments without an idea of which piece is the original piece
sounds like something someone came up with briefly
it shouldn't be taken more seriously than that
and there's no reason it would need any discussion really, since you can always just ask for a new analogy
This makes it so the minds natural way of dealing with trauma and stress is to split into more parts to handle it. There are two types of parts in the TOSD, ANPs, apparently normal parts, and EPs, emotional parts. ANPs are alters that seem to be fine and function normally. EPs are the trauma and memory holders that deal with the stuff the mind wants to keep seperate from the rest. Depending on the type of dissociative disorder there will be varying amounts of ANPs and EPs. In PTSD there is an ANP and EP, in CPTSD there can be multiple EPs, and in DID/OSDD-1 there is multiple ANPs and EPs. Here's a chart that may help.
2:44 AM
I should note that the chart is not perfect but it does a decent enough job for a quick explanation.
If you want to learn the theory of structural dissociation in depth the book you will want to read is called The Haunted Self and was written by the modern founders of the theory.
hmm maybe start by setting reminders or putting sticky notes around that remind you of her, and talk to her about whatever you're doing whenever you remember
hmm maybe start by setting reminders or putting sticky notes around that remind you of her, and talk to her about whatever you're doing whenever you remember
Janine somewhat communicates via using anxious feelings as a "no" and a happy feelings as a "yes" and while it works it can kinda not since I have no clue if I'm feeling anxious or she wants me to stop listening to Bury the Light for the 100th time in a row
I saw something in differentiating tulpas and DID using plates. A tulpa is another plate on top of another plate. Two different entities. DID is a broken plate. Split up into multiple fragments without an idea of which piece is the original piece
@FirewireCompatible - jump
the broken plates metaphor is helpful for establishing goal of therapy which is to put dissociated parts together, it’s just a perspective rather than anything technical
I have median components, one of my original clones was called Dream. Since this was and still is the primary part I use to interact with Gray, Ranger, and others, I approved the change.(edited)
I represent the unconscious mind and see myself as better connected to my headmate's unconscious desires. I see my purpose is to assist my headmates process and explore unconsious thoughts and information. I am content with my existence and personally don't care too much for being an independent person, mostly because I see it tends to contradict with my interests.
6:40 PM
*Technically I should clarify. I think the unconscious mind is a bit more like one entity, I represent our total unconscious desires. However, I am attuned to my headmates individual desires as well and I do have desires of my own.
Aside from possession every now and then, I switched in twice. Once because things were not going well and we needed to eat. The second time was to do therapy work because I was struggling with something.
Otherwise, I have no interest in switching.(edited)
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